Cognition’s CEO on What Comes After Code

The future has a way of showing up early to some places. In software engineering, one of those places is Cognition—the startup that made headlines in early 2024 with Devin, the world’s first autonomous coding agent, and more recently with its acquisition of the AI code editor Windsurf. Scott Wu, Cognition’s cofounder and CEO, has a front-row seat to what comes next. In this episode of AI & I, we talk with Wu about why the fundamentals of computer science still matter in an AI-first world, the direction he sees for the short- and long-term future of programming, and why he believes we may already be living with AGI. Timestamps: 00:00:00 – Start 00:02:02 – Introduction 00:02:32 – Why Scott thinks AGI is here 00:09:27 – Scott’s personal journey as a founder 00:16:55 – Why the fundamentals of computer science still matter 00:22:30 – How the future of programming will evolve 00:26:50 – A new workflow for the AI-first software engineer 00:29:33 – How Devin stacks up against Claude Code 00:40:05 – Reinforcement learning to build better coding agents 00:50:05 – What excites Scott about AI beyond Cognition If you found this episode interesting, please like, subscribe, comment, and share! Want even more? Sign up for Every to unlock our ultimate guide to prompting ChatGPT here: https://every.ck.page/ultimate-guide-to-prompting-chatgpt. It’s usually only for paying subscribers, but you can get it here for free. To hear more from Dan Shipper: - Subscribe to Every: https://every.to/subscribe - Follow him on X: https://twitter.com/danshipper **Links to resources mentioned in the episode: ** - Scott Wu: Scott Wu (@ScottWu46) - Learn more about Cognition: https://cognition.ai/ Try the world’s first autonomous coding agent: https://devin.ai/